"Internet Marketing, MAKES you GREEDY?" 24.9.08

IM, "Internet marketers" for short, you know them, they promise secrets to easy riches all for a princely sum of $27 or something.

Upon delivery you see details on "getting rich selling ebooks about getting rich selling ebooks".... and !!

Huh wait a minute!

That's Crap!

Not that all IMers are like this, but lets be honest.
Isn't it this that sticks in most "newbies" throats?

I have no bone with ANYONE in particular, I just notice some things that ARE getting talked about in this way, more than usual from my experience, some have no idea I was ever in that "niche" if you like.

It's nothing new as such, but sheesh it sure looks worse from some angles.

That way of generating cash, short term gains was a successful one for some of them, some have moved onto better things, other niches etc.

Without naming people as there is no need to do that, I gotta say some of them are relentless in what they do.
Some of them brag about their fortunes yet CONTINUE to push a link everywhere they are, go, whatever, for a crappy product at times.

Let me ask...Are YOU greedy?

If you have so much money anyway, why are you CHASING it?

Why misuse things for that small benefit you gain in the short term?

Why when you should have built a base of fans big enough to spread your work for you, do you continue to push stuff into our faces?

Why do you continue to try and grab a big market share, shoving your aff links (spamming in many ways) everywhere, including asking others who are also in some way YOUR competition to spread the word about things you mainly benefit from?

How are those "under you" on the chain supposed to grow when those who do things like this who are above them (like you) stifle them?

Don't talk about "abundance attitude" I KNOW there is enough for everyone, but where do you STOP?

Not talking mainly of ethics, just where do you draw the line?

Have you even thought about it?

The big guys have a great opportunity to do it right in my eyes but many miss the right way, they don't CARE, they want MORE MONEY!
Social networking sites are being used badly if you ask me.

This user generated web that is now here more than ever will spread that bad word about the greedy ones fast and far.

Vice versa with the good ones and the generosity.

What price a reputation now?

I think there is going to be a big shake up somewhere regarding all the IMers out there.

Some are good some not, some are greedy, some not... where are YOU?



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posted by Rob Sellen @ 5:28 PM, , links to this post



"Sly marketers = stupid people" 17.9.07

Need I really say more?

Funny thing IM and the marketers involved in that circle, some are simply to sly to be anything but stupid.
Honestly the drivel and crap peddled is seriously getting crazy.

Emails with NOTHING of content and a link to the "next big thing" shoved in your face, and yet these are the people who I DID trust to deliver once and they have gone the way of everyone else who screws it all up.

Sad shite really, I even noticed a so called "guru" post some perfectly common sense fisherman to restaurant owners work ladder!

Then others say they were a genius. Sheesh!!

You know, it ain't hard to find that post if you thought about it, he is one of those who has pushed so hard on crap over the us he has to post a blurb saying how nothing is for sale or in planning to launch on this post... lol!

Says it all!


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posted by Rob Sellen @ 8:30 PM, , links to this post



"The truth of the Warriors" 28.7.07

update**
Allen flat out LIED on the forum today saying people were warned before deletion.
Well I was NOT! And EVERYONE on there knows it.
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Anyone who knows me knows I do not hold back and I do not "sugar coat" things.
I will tell it the way I see it. If what I say bothers you, don't read it.


Many of you will have recently seen what has been happening in the warrior forum, indeed myself being deleted unfairly was one of them but then I am not the only one!

Why should THAT matter to you anyway?

Well I was almost up to 5000 post and have contributed to the forum for almost 4 years and if they can treat me that way they can do it to you too.

So am I writing this because I am bitter?
NO!

I am writing this because I feel let down and I feel what I contributed to the forum has been dismissed...almost 5000 post they just casually dismissed at the press of a button, not bitter but disappointed.

Not only that...the mod who deleted me has NO backbone to even admit to doing it.

Is that the action of a decent person? No I didn't think so either...they are simply a coward.

There has been a number of long term posters with high post count who have been unfairly treated although also a few of the big names have left...including someone you all know well...
J Reese.

Although John left of his own accord I can imagine he was pretty angry and annoyed by it all when it happened, I feel he was let down by Allen badly..I wonder if HE felt that?

Bear in mind although I do not really know what went on in Johns mind at the time, I can only presume, which I won't do.

Here I will be saying what I think about the whole situation and how I think it will be going in the future and why NOW may be the best time for you to really think about your role in the warrior forum.

Look at the fact that ONE mod had been made n/a before... say's alot.

Why help them with great content and also traffic when they so obviously don't give a rats ass about you?

Stick to putting your best content on what YOU own.

Before I go further let me take a moment to explain the way I have seen the warrior forum's wealth being distributed there.
The "big guys" don't need Allen or his forum, they have left him behind, John Reese proved that.

John publicly slammed the forum, since then Allen KNOWS if he is to keep the "big guys" onside he will have to change things regarding the so called "negativity" which is not as bad as it is made out.

The fact is the bigger you are, the more you get hassle in some ways and that is what happens here.

But it probably hurt Allen to see John do that...I can assure you this is a factor else things would NOT be the way they are.

Ready for a shocker?

Allen needs YOU more than you need HIM.

Over the years there has been some great IM careers that started right there in the forum, but now I feel those days are GONE!

And Allen KNOWS it!

Shame for him, he made money from them sharing their little morsels...look at Mike F now for an example...he comes in throws morsels to the members and they lap it up.

Someone even pointed out to me that Mike has in his BFM ebook (manual?) exactly what happens in places like the warriors regarding "fans" and "bashers", if you have it...try and find it.

He is quick to jump in when his fans are losing the argument.

There are others who Allen is trying to keep "onside" and we all know who they are.

The way they promote themselves on the forum...

Yet YOU do that and it's promotional...it gets deleted!

One rule for some...one rule for others.

BUT he also knows one or two of you he can use to create some income, in fact he has already started doing that...look well enough and you can see it.

He is the bitter one really, think about it!

Why did he chase down the higher posting ladies there, I can name at least 3 he has chased out of the forum, and that's just THIS year.
I also know there are one or two who he is watching, yes waiting for ONE slip up and bang they will be gone!

Who? I won't say...you will see it for yourself.

Make sure you are NOT relying solely on that place for income.
It IS the most FICKLE forum out there.

Lets get something straight about the way I see Allen, he must get bored easy with things, look at the things he has done over the years...great start then they die off.

I had respect for the guy but sadly he has blown that recently and I KNOW I am not alone regarding that.

Buy then why should he care...he ONLY cares about the BIG guys who draws the newbies in, where the morsels can be chucked at them thus earning HIM and THEM money...yet it's YOUR money they are getting!

Sod that!

If you want to help THEM get rich then go for it...better for you to have money coming IN than out so create and sell...that's what I am going to concentrate on.

There is ONE way you can really make some serious money there...become the "next biggish guy" and being "flavour of the month"....like Jon Leger did.

Easy? NOPE.

There are others in front of you in that queue!...Look closely and you will see who..
Look closer and you will see how it became that way for them.

Yes I am serious, that and the fact Allen KNEW the members would gobble it up thus make HIM money..

There is something I should point out though, I do NOT believe Allen is making THAT much money overall with the warriors.

Simply because most of those who did generate the income are GONE, they got bigger and better so they don't need him or the warrior forum.

Here is what Allen said to me in PM... after I complained about being banned.

"The guru hating AND loving shit has got to go around here.
I don't like either side, the lovers or the haters."


Um....hang on....He loves the lovers...he NEVER complains about the ones who lick arse and love the "big guys"... he ONLY ever complains to the "bashers"...why?

Why do you think? It keeps the big guys onside having their egos stroked.

See what I mean?

I told him I don't hate anyone...not anywhere, if he read the post below he may "get it".

Why didn't he stop people bashing J Reese before he left?

Stable, horse, bolt, spring to mind.

He regrets John leaving...that much IS obvious.

So if I praised the big guys and licked their arses...I would NEVER have been n/a.

Thanks...but NO thanks... I am not sucking up to them at all... for anything.

If they are decent people who deserve respect then great...sadly alot of them are NOT!

There are one or maybe two mods there who are serious assholes.. they will delete a perfectly good post of yours and when you post asking why, that gets deleted, then every post you make after gets deleted...even if it is to help someone.

I know this it happend several times to me TODAY.

There has always been one or two assholes modding that place, they will follow you around in there and it winds you up...they drive you to losing your rag and getting deleted.

That place is going down the pan and fast.

I am not going to even bother trying with it anymore.

I posted there today asking for advice and opinions on the post below, one reason was it may help them understand why sometimes I get fired up, I asked if they could advise how I could maybe do something that will help me become a better poster there....and never guess what?

It got deleted!

No heart...no balls and no shame.

When Allen sorts out the couple of stupid cowardly moronic mods I may try again.
I don't hold my breath though as they have no balls.

Warriors, those mods? More like bullying idiots.

I am not the only one who is pissed off and fed up with it.

Good luck Allen...those mods are ruining your forum, NOT the members be them "bashers" or "lovers", they make YOUR forum work.

You don't appreciate it.

Any opinions?


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posted by Rob Sellen @ 9:32 PM, , links to this post



"Trying to change?" 16.7.07

Taking to blogging and IM to "change things" round?

Chasing the pipe dream that is overnight riches?

Desperate to change tomorrow and blogging furiously to do so?

Take heed of your blogs future and what you are trying to change as so well put by Seth.


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posted by Rob Sellen @ 9:36 PM, , links to this post



"The ultimate fake it till ya make it" 15.7.07

There's a fella you may know, he goes by the name of two initials, if you know who, you must be in the IM niche!

That about sums up the fake that is...you know who, a persona who has probably earned the right to be called the "Ultimate fake it till ya make it".

Lets be clear about something straight away, the real person behind it, is probably a sound(ish) person... ;o) Most likely he is.

But the web of crap and faking it will trip you up in the end, just as lies do for the liars!

There has been plenty of "stepped over the line" moments for most people, the recent events that pissed all the ladies off comes to mind.

No doubt, the real fella is sound and done a great job of marketing the persona the way it needed to be done in order to get the desired results...made it!

The real fella is a good marketer in his own right.
He did what he planned and a good job, to a point, still ain't directly publicising ya persona.. ;o)

But to a point means he did overstep the mark with many.

Ah well this persona writing / marketing must be fun... ;o)

Rather be myself, yet had I done something of that nature it wouldn't been that extreme!

What a .... ;o)

So, no offence to the real fella, who is probably doing great and no doubt a nice bloke.

But sheesh... the whole thing has to die off soon surely, I mean the whole circus!?

Or will he lap it up from newbies from now till they wise up?

Lets face it... If I go out to town tomorrow and stand in the street asking passers by if they know who ?? is?

They will say...who?

Not ONE will know I bet.

So is he not the "Ultimate fake it till ya make it"?

Fame only in the IM niche really?

Has he gone as far as it can go?

Did the gullible ones really decide to go meet a "fake"?

Funny thing show business, even funnier in IM show business!

Any one else have an opinion on it?

Feel free to comment...click "speak up" below.


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posted by Rob Sellen @ 9:50 PM, , links to this post



"Is John Reese a scammer" 11.7.07

That was the unbelievable question I was aksed in an email.
I will not say their name as they asked me in confidence.
I obviously don't want to abuse the trust that got them asking me.

The email went to explain how they felt as I show myself to be honest on the forums etc so felt they could ask me and trust me.

Thats great, I am grateful for that trust.

Ok... so I asked them what they meant?

This is the gist of it.

Hi mate,

Sorry about this but I am fairly new to all this and hear alot about John Reese and wondered if the guy is trustworthy, is he a scammer?
Should I listen to him or not?
I see his new site is giving everything away free.
How the hell does he make money doing that?
Something seems to be making me feel that we are not getting the whole picture.
Thanks... xxxx (thats not KISSES, but removal of the name) ;o)

Ok...

I have NO idea how this operson found John or his site, I am guessing through a forum or newsletter link.

I replied to them in email and told them I would also make a post here about this.

Is John a scammer?

No I 100% do not think he is anything like that at all.
Having been on his list and known him online for a while I would say he his one to watch if you want to learn anything about making strides online.
Lets face it John has gone further down this road than 99% of us.

He KNOWS what he is talking about when it comes to online marketing and making money.

He has always given value for free. Yes his new site is giving tons of info free and will help you make strides if that is what you want to do, one thing you must remember is no matter what you will STILL have to put the effort and work in to succeed.

It don't fall on your lap.

Regarding asking how will he make money being free.

Lets be honest John don't NEED the money no more, he has already made millions, he will always have a residual income from all the hard work he has ALREADY done.
If you want millions you will need to put that hard work in too.

But this new site will STILL make him money, how?
Traffic, loyal readers who then get on his list who trust him enough to buy his products when he does release them.

Give freely and people will come back for more, no?

I see it as John is already quite an authourity in this "making money online" arena so it makes sense for him to create the ultimate free authourity site.

So should you listen to him? Yes.

Is he a scammer? NO.

Are you seeing the whole picture? Probably not, John is the only one who sees that.

I hope that the reply was helpful to the sender of the email.
I hope it also gives anyone reading this a clearer picture if you wondered about him too.

I am in no way connected to John so gain nothing from him telling you this.
I answered this because the asker deserved my honest opinion.

If you want to ask me something then great, do so.
If you feel generous you can tip me by buying me a beer by clicking the beer icon below.

It's thirsty work this lark! ;o)

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posted by Rob Sellen @ 3:25 PM, , links to this post



Warrior forum... 29.6.07

Having a break has had its benefits as you can imagine.

Most of you know I use the warrior forum alot but I gotta say "its changed."
Seems thing's happened when I was offline, not sure exactly what went on nor do I really need to know.

I can hazard a guess but I will keep that to myself. ;o)

Though it of course like anything in life has negative points, I do like the place.
The simple truth is that forum can do alot for you, IF you are going about things the right way.

But what about...

The old boys club that people talk about... ok, well maybe there is one, maybe not, depends what you wanna see!

There is something of that nature everywhere really so why would it be so different there?

It's up to you how you see it and where you fit into things, no-one makes anyone do anything.

It's a shame to see those who have made alot of money and MILKED the warriors (to be honest its how it is to me) have left because things may not have been going the way THEY wanted it.

Still... what would you expect in IM?

May piss some people off saying this but I don't care... I am being honest if that's not ok for some tough, because I can ONLY be honest.

I am glad to say though, HYPE is on it's way out... great.

I think, and I am allowed my opinion, that hype is the fault of the US marketers, after all the Americans love their hype.. don't they?

Must do... they fall for it enough, if they didn't hype wouldn't be such a problem.

People can't complain when they fuel it.

So what becomes of the warriors?
Who knows... all I know is things have changed alot.

Take care,

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posted by Rob Sellen @ 2:54 PM, , links to this post



"Honest marketing" 19.3.07

The death of hype, especially in IM!

I will stick my neck out here and say...it's gonna die!
Already it's undergoing a slow steady decline, hype sucks.

Hype is what you buy into...the sizzle.
Sod that...
NO-ONE can sell you your dream...they are yours to achieve, not buy.

Let's cut the crap...it's a mindset they are keeping you into...to fleece more money from you.

I get well turned off by all the crap hype shite out there and I know many of you do too.
It will pass...when it stops working so well, you can bet your ass the marketers who use it will drop it like a hot stone.

Then they will start coming over all "honest", far too late then, the rep they have will stick.

Roll on the BS hype free marketing!
It cannot change soon enough.

Real honest content will win the day.

Content people will appreciate.

Honest marketers will clean up.

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posted by Rob Sellen @ 11:13 PM, , links to this post



"Making money online" Pt 2 18.3.07

**Continued from last post.

I asked if you recognised it...if you're involved in IM (Internet marketing), then you may well guess the "dream sellers" would have sold them the basic info I gave in the last post, with some filler fluff!

Shame on them...they got easy money, yet in this scenario, the "Harley nut" would feel let down, not knowing the "how to do" part.
There is nothing they can get from it, apart from the buzz of wanting to act on it...yep, been sold the sizzle!

Then he most likely will think less of the seller, feel ripped off!

Shame...short term profits for the seller AND a bad rep.

NOT the way you want to go.

This is exactly what is going on out there.
There is hardly anything that also shows you the "how".

Not to mention the fact the sellers of the dreams couldn't give a toss about you, they already have your money!

In this scenario what would I have done?

Well the first thing would be to grab this for the scripts, you will need them later.

I would have given them a plan of action to add to it, one they can do or learn to do.

In this case, create or edit a video just to show you ten tips on basic Harley maintenance.

"Ten tips to maintain your Harley and save service fees!"

Something like that, told him to stick it on eBay, as a limited to X amount box set of videos, relevant auction, ie Harley Davidson must be in the title, then post in the right section.

This way it's "fast boost cash" to carry on with the plan.

While the eBay auction is going, tell them to set up a simple blog at blogger.com, where you post pictures, write a bit about the pictures, post every other day at least once for the first few weeks, have the link to your blog on your eBay home page, have the blog called something related, like...

Home-built-Harley-Davidson.blogspot.com

It's clear what it's about.

Should have sold the videos and have cash coming to keep on building.

Now add other videos to blog and start building your Harley network.

The blog is up, it's simple enough for them to carry on with, post videos to it via youtube or myspace, posting a funny or viral video will help by spreading fast.

Set up a myspace page related to Harley's.

All the while there is a link back to your blog.

The first few weeks should be interesting enough to them to keep the work effort up, if you have a passion, like this person with the Harley's, it's not work...it's fun and more learning.

They should be getting a few keen hungry visitors, "fans" so to speak, "Harley fans" to be precise, a targeted market.

The next advice I would offer them is to visit Harley forums, read up on threads, see what problems and issues they talk about, you may have answers in either your head, or on a video.
Get involved in a subtle yet informative and helpful way.
Use a sig link if you are allowed pointing back to your blog.

Build relationships, you have something in common with them all.

All the plan is now is to set up "funnels" for the traffic you get and maximise it.

Next would be to set up a keyword related squidoo lens, probably the easiest site builder out there, have your blog feed linked to it, or just a normal link if feeds baffle you.

Write up a few good articles and post a few good pictures.

These should be good to keep you busy, update them often keep on reading the forums, you can resell more videos on eBay to keep cash flow coming in.

After the confidence grows and you know you will keep on keeping on...

Next would be to get a domain and hosting, domain should have related keywords, ie... Self-built-harleys.com for example.

Time to set up a site to sell you videos and other related things, ie affiliate products from Harley companies etc.

Should you know little about building a site, set it up using a template, or even using blogger or similar blogging software.

By now a month will have gone by, and you will have a few funnels of traffic set up, start getting some reasonable traffic from these as well as regular readers coming back.

You will also have started building solid relationships with "like minded people".

THAT is taking action, that is doable, that brings results.

Not so hard really, just take it one step at a time, yet start off with what's EASY.

Doing what you know and have passion for is EASY, setting up a blog is EASY.

Once you have started it will get easier and grow faster.

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posted by Rob Sellen @ 8:25 PM, , links to this post



"The Warrior way" 8.3.07

Many of you know I am a regular visitor at the Warrior forum, a good place to learn all about Internet marketing, and more.
If you have a problem or question you can get a rapid answer there, they will help you if they can.

It's been said that the forum has literally influenced millions in deals, I could believe that, quite easy, after all there is a sticky thread there called "How this forum can make you $50,000 or more", quite a good thread too, lots of inspiring tales of success, overcoming failure etc.

All good.

Something I have been doing, and doing happily is failing fast!

It's those fast failures that become the stepping stones to success, the more I fail, the nearer I am to success.
Some may scoff at that, but I DO believe it to be true.

How fast do you think the failures for the light bulb invention happened before it succeeded?
Take your time and you may never get there!

So...the Warrior forum is full of fast failures on the way to success...a fair few have reached success, after all not many will give up, THAT is the biggest failure, giving up!

I am NOT giving up, that's for sure.
I will continue to learn, apply, and improve too.

I see so many people go to the Warriors and blow it, blow an opportunity to learn something of value, build the important needed parts to succeed online.

It's a shame, they don't really appreciate what it offers because they don't give it long enough to see what it could really do for them.

So for those and even the known Warriors I wrote a book which will be of help to them.

It's called : "The warrior way", it's new and an asset if you really want to make the Warriors work for you, instead of against you.

You can see there has been a couple of satisfied buyers at the review section, bearing in mind I only finished it last night, I am pleased it's selling AND they like it. ;o)

Although based on the warrior forum, it's good info on making the right moves in any forum.

Hopefully it will do want I wanted it to do...that is help people.

What are your thoughts on this?

Any opinions are much appreciated.

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Less of the bollox please.. 5.3.07

In keeping with sticking to my true self I am gonna have to start telling you what I really think, what you need to hear rather than what you want to hear, you can buy that at most hype pages if you want it.

Enough is enough, it is crazy yet you know what it is also very interesting, it wont stop!

I had enough of the crap, all sides of it and I don't believe I am the only one.

Yet the mass of contradictions, multilevel ones, ones you miss, or don't yet know about, leave a giggle inside of me, each time I notice it!

So I will share this shit with you...wise up, I am kicking myself in ways and now I maybe you will kick yourself too.

All the bashing crap, from both sides is a little bemusing, I could care less really anymore, other than seeing it for what it is, a mass of crazy contradictions.

I am not JUST talking of bashing people etc in forums, I am also talking about:

"labelled (read guru or whatever you wish) ebook sellers selling the sizzle" and... newbies saying "They sell this crap and It didn't make me rich" crap too.

It's one big joke honestly...

Those sellers sell sizzle because the buyers buy it!

Simple really...is it not?

When does the steak come in?

You didn't order one!!

Did you?

I am in no means one of the people "raking it in", not by ANY stretch, but having been into this IM circle a while, one thing as mentioned above has not changed.

Anyway...Its all bollox whatever way you look at it.

Where was I?

Ah... I don't sell sizzle...so maybe I am making a mistake?

Not really...I don't WANT to try and sell sizzle.

I would rather have gravy... ;o)

Without the sizzle and steak the gravy is pretty useless!

YOU provide them...not you BUY them.

Get it straight...the sizzle is the dream...YOUR dream, NO-one can sell that to you.

Your steak is your work and your recipe is your efforts...NO-one can sell that to you.

The gravy...you can get tubs of it from any shop... ;o) cheap too.

Gravy is the income! The reality.

Start looking at things objectively, a mechanic has a dream as a kid, teen, to fix cars, change them , "pimp them up" as they say, the sizzle is the same theme, yet different pictures to each of them.

Unique in each one.

The tools to do it are the same, spanners etc, the shops sell the tools, the teachers at the college and your trainer at the garage are your
Steak chefs and recipe providers.

The gravy is your talent, your knowledge.

The reality is, most of the mechanics end up stuck in a 9 to 5 garage job doing basic car fixing, after doing the training, never really moving from there, possibly never "pimping a car for money", rather as a side hobby, which COST them.

Those who really get the quality gravy are those who DO get out of the 9 to 5 and "specialise", they get to gravy the choose, get to pimp cars for money, the work selling itself.
NOT selling your time at a low rate...ie 9 to 5!

That reminds me, those that sell "how to make money selling "how to make money" ebooks" are in a sense another contradiction, they say, "get into a niche, make money doing that" but sell you a book on making money online in a niche?

They say don't get into "selling books on making money selling books"... why not?, it looks like it pays!
See that contradiction there, then you realise allot of these people selling these DO use niches... hmmm.

Whatever way you want to look at it, there is hard work involved.

If you are new to this the best advice I could give you is to start taking action, whatever action you choose, just DO it.

If you are that stuck, heres an idea to get you really going, action will inspire you.

It is NOT hard at all.

Grab this..book, now be honest with yourself and find a topic you know about, see if there is money in that niche, see what YOU can find if you are new, that gives you an idea of what others will find if they are newish.

Now write some good solid articles using that books methods, use the now well known free BUM matketing method.

Now grab a Blogger account, and this free seo book, READ that, it will give you the plan to follow.

Post at least ONE article every three days to the blog, and one to the article directory of choice.
Link them as told in the book.

Set up a squidoo lens on your topic too, add rss feed from your blog to it.

$7 bucks that all cost you!

Now DO IT. Create YOUR content, it will pay in time.

Get going, see what happens, track you stuff, improve as you go.
Do it for a month.

You will be glad you did.
You will have done something.

Now set up a seperate blog on blogger for YOU, write all your thoughts etc there, keep yourself on track etc, ideas, results.
Use it for what it is, a diary of sorts, even make it private.

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posted by Rob Sellen @ 8:51 PM, , links to this post



At risk of offending a few 4.3.07

Another shortie but simple, yet true post...

Think IM snake oil sellers, steak, sizzle..

Is the steak (work) hidden in the push of the sizzle (dream)?

Hiding or not??

For growth? It DOES look that way!

Check it out...hiding here

You decide, post in the comments... ;o)

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